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keileph unregistered
#31   05 Aug 2014
this map looks almost....UNREAL
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Sly Fox Rep. 33
#30   21 Jun 2014
Flag to flag is about 20000 units in a straight line, making it the largest Quake3 map I've seen thus far. The grass texture is really stretched out though, making it seem like you're crawling instead of walking.
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Kyall Rep. 202
#29   11 Mar 2012
Awesome map. It's very big, the environment is excellent, the skybox matches the layout of the map, and the textures were pretty good. Quite fun to play on Threewave or Excessive Plus. Bot support is excellent, and is good to play with 12 or more players, depending on how much grunt your machine has. 9/10.
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Dave Rep. 0
#28   23 Dec 2011
Perfecto lo descargare xD!
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SW12 unregistered
#27   18 Apr 2010
OK I just Played it. Not what I was picturing when I saw the screen shot. This map is huge! Kind of like back in medieval times and then some. With two bases miles apart, divided by a mountain wall, the red & blue bases including their cities (which bots don't defend or pay any attention to at all) Which are in between the Three land bridges to get to the mines. Bots notoriously Go for that BFG in the VERY center of the map; the bridge of the caves. Also great job with the backround. Instead of only a skybox- real water and mountains to go in front! WHen i was using godmode to take a swim, I immediatley found out you constantly take damage because of the hissing sound when I took a dip. Overall, Exellent map! Oh Castle, What's next on the Agenda????!!!! :D
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SW12 unregistered
#26   17 Apr 2010
Map looks good. I think I will Download it.
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eL^^ Rep. -10
#25   12 Jan 2009
looks nice but, it isn't ideal conversion map from ut ;)
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Anonymous unregistered
#24   07 Jun 2006
I would say its the largest. Larger than kineterra1 of course.
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not entered unregistered
#23   18 Jul 2004
I like it because I like huge maps.....is this the largest on lvl?
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me! unregistered
#22   20 Jul 2003
ME LIKES!! ;)
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Mr Bean unregistered
#21   06 Jan 2002
Really an interesting map. I give Castle his due. It's massive. It's huge...it's something different!

First off on the credit point. Spielberg was inspired in Close Encounters by Pinocio but I don't feel he need to have a huge credit for Walt Disney in the film. Everyone is inspired by someone or something somewhere. Folks complaining about this map on that point are simply trying to steal credit away from Castle and his hard work.

Now for the map, it's huge as I said...but it works. I would really love to play this map with 20 people. It's a map where teamwork is really required I think. This is not a cookie cutter gothic map like 90% of the stuff we see. This is creative, different and life like. How many different gothic castles can one play in before they all look the same? I suggest people download this map and I hope a few good servers pop up playing it. It's worth the download.

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Nitebeat unregistered
#20   05 Jan 2002
No need to act like a mo castle ;)

Blue base does kind off look like the lg one :p

sigh, again, the level looks good. You're a talented mapper.

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Castle unregistered
#19   04 Jan 2002
Oh well fair enough I will be updating the readme file with the level asap.

but im not joking about the maps being drasticaly different. even the red base doesnt look like the red base in lava giant.

I dont feel the levels are really all that similar. Keep in mind I have had my face stuck in the .map for a long time. much longer than I have ever played the level for sure.

one thing im gonna pat myself on the back for is nailing the lava giant style enough that even level that looks runs and plays so differently some how has people convinced its a direct port or a "convertion"

Like I said though I only give credit to people who helped out with game content.. I know about 15 + beta testers who helped me out with this level.

Oh hell while im at it I should list all the people who gave feedback. Oh and the people who might have said something to inspire me to come up with an idea.

Not to mention other levels other than lava giant.

hehe

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Nitebeat unregistered
#18   04 Jan 2002
and you can fit watergiant two times in sunspire castle ;)
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Nitebeat unregistered
#17   04 Jan 2002
Damn it I'm not used to this place anymore :)

Another shot:

<a href="http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/" target="_blank">http://nalicity.beyo...al.com/</a>

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Nitebeat unregistered
#16   04 Jan 2002
Post a link to a ut site on a q3 site ;)?

Castle, I tend to disagree here when you say that the only resemble between "lavagiant" and "watergiant" is the red base. You must be joking :)

you're not?

Ehm no giving credit to the author of the lavagiant map doesn't seem to be irrelevant here. To me, as an ut and Q3 player, I think that's of the utmost important.

Had you named your map "the sea of silence" or anything else, and "tweaked" the design more so it wouldn't resemble that much of lg, there wouldn't have been a single problem imho :)

Ah well. Look Castle, honestly, you've made a great looking map. Next time you're inspired by a retail ut level, ... credits ;)

Oh yeah tetzlaff, Falkenstein can be found here:

[url]<a href="http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/[/url]" target="_blank">http://nalicity.beyo.../[/url]</a>

Simply search the dm section ;)

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Indicio unregistered
#15   04 Jan 2002
There seems to be a great deal of back and forth about citation of sources inspiration and credits. It seems pretty irrelevant to a discussion of this map. I was hoping to see comments from people who have played it.

I have played the map, and see some potential for some really fun gameplay that is different from the typical quake experience. The map is vast, and as a result I imagine it would really force players to coordinate their team play to get anything accomplished. For sure, it would require a different pace, and strategy than the norm. I didn’t think anything was particularly ugly, (and I am speaking from the perspective of a professional graphic designer) but I would have like to have seen more features in some of the buildings. I would love to see someone host a public server (I have no concept of the technical feasibility of this - but I would definitely put it my favorites list). Also, a flight power up might be a cool addition.

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Indicio unregistered
#14   04 Jan 2002
There seems to be a great deal of back and forth about citation of sources inspiration and credits. It seems pretty irrelevant to a discussion of this map. I was hoping to see comments from people who have played it.

I have played the map, and see some potential for some really fun gameplay that is different from the typical quake experience. The map is vast, and as a result I imagine it would really force players to coordinate their team play to get anything accomplished. For sure, it would require a different pace, and strategy than the norm. I didn’t think anything was particularly ugly, (and I am speaking from the perspective of a professional graphic designer) but I would have like to have seen more features in some of the buildings. I would love to see someone host a public server (I have no concept of the technical feasibility of this - but I would definitely put it my favorites list). Also, a flight power up might be a cool addition.

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Tetzlaff unregistered
#13   04 Jan 2002
Hey it´s no shame to create a level that is inspired by another level. It doesn´t mean that it´s not original or just a copy or something... I mean, the Renaissance architecture is inspired by antique Roman architecture, just to mention a very obvious example from Art History.

For the people who never played UT and Lava Giant, I think it´s interesting to know that there´s a level that inspired the layout of this level, and worthy to mention in the readme.

Nitebeat: Falkenstein? An UT level? Can you post a link please?

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Castle unregistered
#12   04 Jan 2002
Oh and one last point about how I give credit in my readme txt files... Over time I started only giving credit to people who helped me in a direct manner by either giving me game content or something that was needed to release the level.

Otherwise I would have 50 people listed for every level I ever made... so in the past I never really gave credit unless there was a real tangable influence like textures sounds models or code. Is inspiration really grounds for credit?

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Castle unregistered
#11   04 Jan 2002
You can also fit Lava Giant a few times in this level I think.
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Castle unregistered
#10   04 Jan 2002
Thats kind of what was intended. Otherwise this completly new map would just be clumped with Lava Giant and everyone would say "oh its just a direct port." Like people have been saying.. Think of the name as an easter egg. Its an all new level with a sort touch of lava giant to it... Or at least thats what was intended.. perhaps it didnt pan out quite like I thought. But I dont want anyone thinking I Copied Lava Giant level geometry or ported it to quake 3. Its an all new map plain and simple.

ill rethink the readme txt..

Oh and whoops

I meant mpterra 2 distant screams not mp terra 3...

You can fit the largest terrian map many times over inside of this level.

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Octovus unregistered
#9   04 Jan 2002
Is mpterra3 is the smallest terrain map, right? Otherwise I'm scared (I know Frozen Screams or whatever is mpterra2). But you're kind of contradicting yourself, Castle. If you say the name is enough to point out the "inspiration" (and evidently you thought Lava Giant deserved something of a nod by your choice of name), you're forgetting people who haven't played or even heard of the original! I would never have known about the "original" if vastly different Lava Giant if I hadn't read this thread...because I'd never heard about it before. Anyways.

-Octovus

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Castle unregistered
#8   04 Jan 2002
"The many extras, the change of

environment isn't all that bad and yeah the map is big. If this

is the biggest q3 map around, then I got bad news for you ;)"

It is the first level to make use of variable block sizes. Its the largest map because before q3map allowed for that option a level of this size could never happen. you can fit multiple mp terra 3 maps inside of this level. go take a look the .map is in the pk3

Maybe a new map came out after i released this one but this one was the largest at the time. =P

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Castle unregistered
#7   04 Jan 2002
I spoke with the guy who designed Lava Giant and he might have hinted that this map might inspire his remake of lava giant for Unreal 2.

hmm it doesnt say that this level was inspired by Lava Giant in the readme?

Maybe because it doesnt mater really. After all the level is called "Water Giant" It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what inspired the level.

Keep in mind that inspireation and a direct port are entirely different things and this level is Drasticaly different from Lava Giant in just about every technical sense. I might go and update the .txt when I finaly get back to working on my web site this month. (I think that I didnt mention lava giant simply because I dont have to. The name alone should show what inspired the level. I believe that Water Giant is my level and is anything but a direct port or a remake for quake 3. Its an all new level that was inspired by another level like just about every other quake 3 map with Gothic architecture. hehe)

I also might have not mentioned it in the readme to avoid people yapping at me because im going to get sued by Epic... Im sure I had my reasons at the time I released the level.

Go ahead and compare the levels.. the only thing I think I got kind of close was the red base.. This map has about as much in commen with Lava Giant as every other vinella quake 3 map has in commen with each other. And if your going to compare game play then we might as well just say this levels inspireation came from thin air. I dont Want this map to be seen as a Lava Giant port because its simply NOT.

I would say the review of the map is pretty fair considering the levels Novelty value

It can be fun at a good lan party sometimes though. It was odd getting the bots to run around the level..

thanks

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NItebeat unregistered
#6   04 Jan 2002
Hell right no sign of it his read me!! what the hell?

Ok, I did give the map a try.

It looks nice to be honest. The many extras, the change of environment isn't all that bad and yeah the map is big. If this is the biggest q3 map around, then I got bad news for you ;)

Anyway, liked the trees you added, the houses below (although I couldn't find many goodies down there, except in the caves).

The bases.. sorry they look ugly. Really ugly. Why did you texture them this way? Real shame

The skybox works really good and I can see castle has put a lot of work into this "conversion".

But again, why didn't he mention lavagiant in his readme???????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!

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Nitebeat unregistered
#5   04 Jan 2002
Didn't mention he got his inspiration from indeed heh one of the most famous ut ctf maps? Boy, was he on dope or so?

I'll have to be honest here, lavagiant beats this one. And no I'm not biased; I like both Q3 and Ut.

Tetzlaff obvioulsy never saw screenshots from Falkenstein...

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pjw unregistered
#4   03 Jan 2002
Castle was very up front at the time he was making this map about the Lava Giant inspiration--I'm surprised that he didn't mention it in the readme. (?)
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Tetzlaff unregistered
#3   03 Jan 2002
Yes, this is inspired by Lava Giant from UT. It´s the most famous UT CTF map beside Facing Worlds, I guess. It was set in a lava sea and the midfield was much simpler. Castle´s remake proves again that Quake3 can create so much more detailed and beatiful maps than UT :)
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Tigger-oN unregistered
#2   03 Jan 2002
MESTAH FOWLAH: Really? Could you tell me the name of the original level and author (if you know).
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MESTAH FOWLAH unregistered
#1   02 Jan 2002
This is a UT remake and the orginal author should have some credit.
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