Where's the Carmack Fortress? (krep1)
Started by CZghost
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CZghost Rep. 1799
#1   21 May 2012
I know there was a krep1 which I've reviewed, but now I'm unable to find it. It's deleted? You said reviewed maps doesn't to be deleted, but krep1.zip have been reviewed and now it's deleted... Software issue or human issue?
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Tig Rep. 2422
#2   21 May 2012
Short answer; human issue.

Long answer; deQer requested that I 'monitor' votes and (somehow) prevent votes that appear to be placed 'in spite'. He (assuming male) stated that I should be 'questioning' votes from users. This was something I refused to do.

deQer did not really offer any real solution (in my opinion) to the issue he had with the voting system on the site. So, I offered the option to remove his level (krep1). deQer requested I remove all of his maps.

It really upset me to remove his maps, but I did it anyway. I liked them and thought they were a good start down a mapping path, but I guess for some people a few knocks are enough to knock them over, and out.

A shame really.

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cityy Rep. 433
#3   21 May 2012
Don't take it personal Tig; he has been a dick over at Q3W as well.

Edit: One of his maps is still in the queue btw.
Edited 1.38 minutes after the original posting.

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CZghost Rep. 1799
#4   22 May 2012
That's pity, don't know he still have functionable download sites (or he had some anyway)...

The krep1 as his first EntityPlus level was realy great, but with actual version of EP very issued...

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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#5   23 May 2012
@cityy: Man you just took the words right out my mouth. deQer doesn't like other mappers bad opinions so he sulks about it for days and moans about the votes he gets.
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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#6   25 May 2012
@FistMarine: I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. He just doesn't like mappers giving him bad feedback of the map he has made. I played the map like 5 times and still have the same feeling about it. It just wasn't the type of map for me at all.
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KommissarReb (SW12) Rep. 2518
#7   26 May 2012
At least I still have his map. So its not like he can erase that. The only reason I can think of why he would do something like that to such a wonderful work of art he made....probably age.
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CZghost Rep. 1799
#8   26 May 2012
I still have his level krep1, too... I don't play it anyway, because I'm preparing to the upcoming mapping competition...
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leilei Rep. 443
#9   29 May 2012
He needs to grow some thick skin and deal with it. If he doesn't want criticism, then he shouldn't release. There's no way you can avoid it on the internet. Ever.

I know; I've had my share of "feedback", but taking your ball and go home isn't a positive response against that.

I still blame dark forum color schemes to influence a negative atmosphere. It affected certain Quake communities for so long.

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CZghost Rep. 1799
#10   29 May 2012
I normally don't tolerance the critic, but it's the important part of life, so I just need to tolerance it... I don't like critic like 'it's a big rubbish' (in a vicious mind), but critic like 'The ammo boxes are too concentrated, but in others mind it's good' doesn't matter to me...
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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#11   30 May 2012
@leilei: I agree with you. If you cant take other mappers feedback, then there's no point of releasing a map. A map is for others to enjoy and if they did or did not then the mappers should have a right to say their own opinions.
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themuffinator Rep. 1064
#12   30 May 2012
it's a big rubbish
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CZghost Rep. 1799
#13   31 May 2012
@themuffinator That tell to deQer, not me... He has made the level ;)
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GuitarMan Rep. 518
#14   04 Jun 2012
The guy took it all the wrong way since day 1 here, he didn't even like simple opinions on his work; and please note I'm saying "opinions" and not "criticism", as it is understandable that some people don't like criticism. His issue with votes was just ridiculous. And now I see that he "has been a dick over at Q3W as well"... better leave guys like him alone, they do not get along with anyone.
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leilei Rep. 443
#15   07 Jun 2012
"that's because it is a 10/10 map, dumb ass. if you feel otherwise, then explain why."

Welp... I think that says it all, really. My tiny hopes for any recuperation have been shattered.

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KommissarReb (SW12) Rep. 2518
#16   21 Jun 2012
www.kryps.com/tmp/...orld-voting.png

deQer was the one who took this picture. He (assuming male) has a tendency to whine like a brat whenever he gets criticism of any kind. When I gave him constructive criticism, the kind that would have improved the map, he cursed me out and told me how inferior I am.
Edited 24.1 days after the original posting.

"that's because it is a 10/10 map, dumb ass. if you feel otherwise, then explain why."

What a cocky cock, he's so far up his own ass not even a vacuum could suck him out. That's one of the most arrogant things I've ever read on the internet.
Edited 29 seconds after the original posting.

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KommissarReb (SW12) Rep. 2518
#18   15 Jul 2012
@Euronymous: Make that a vacuum on maximum overdrive.

I still remember a stupid remark deQer made on lvlworld.com/ I am still trying to vent on that one as I remember getting into several altercations with themuffinator about that.

The difference is that deQer claimed that only gameplay matters and absolutely nothing else. Pan61 as well as Frag took the words out of my mouth as I was planning to tell him off myself.

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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#19   15 Jul 2012
@SW12: Why are you putting this all against me?! Well I rated it a 6.5/10 but since he started crying about the votes he got I said to him I'm changing the vote since he didn't except mine so don't blame me for doing this.
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KommissarReb (SW12) Rep. 2518
#20   15 Jul 2012
@FragTastic: Slow down, I first heard someone say you voted 0/10. Of course, you must understand hearing only half the story out of context can warp everything into something it isn't. You probably ignored my comment after what Eurynomous told me. In my latest comment, I was talking about deQer, not you.
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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#21   15 Jul 2012
@SW12: Well editing your comment got you somewhere didn't it?!.. But fair enough.
Edited 3.12 minutes after the original posting.
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KommissarReb (SW12) Rep. 2518
#22   17 Jul 2012
@FragTastic: umadbro?

You have been answering my posts with "?!".

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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#23   18 Jul 2012
@SW12: Naww! I'm not mad yet :P.
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FragTastic Rep. 2467
#24   21 Jul 2012
@All: deQer has released an updated version of his map ''Maze-eur''. If you want to test or download his new release, click the link below!

q3a.ath.cx/map/krctf02/

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deQer Rep. 7
#25   17 Apr 2013
The map was removed due to spite votes.

The old comments page for Carmack Fortress was removed, therefore the proof where FragTastic specifically stood up and blatantly said "Don't like it? Fine, I'll change all my votes to 0." is gone.

The only proof I have is this: bport.ca/temp/lvlworld-voting.png

FragTastic did this when I asked for an explanation to why he voted what he voted. He could not provide one; instead, he changed his votes to 0.

I requested that the Tigger do something about spite votes, however Tigger wasn't able to do anything--and apparently with the new website we have now, still wasn't able to offer an option for an author to "disable ratings/votes" for their maps, unlike youtube who offers this option.

I don't see this being difficult to do. Just add a field/flag of ratings=1 or 0 in the database of maps; and for maps with ratings=0 won't be displayed in ratings' listings; only displayed in an archive or something. But Tigger said he won't do this unless 100 people request it. But, I guess it's a lot of work for Tigger, and he would rather wait until it's heavily requested before he bothers to do it. So, that's it.

People that were voting 7/10 for Carmack Fortress were not vanilla people. My map is vanilla, and should only be voted by vanilla players who appreciate low-poly/low-quality/vanilla styled maps. Otherwise, I would have chosen that ratings feature be disabled, but lvlworld does not provide this feature.

Allowing people to vote/rate something, and not provide an explanation why, makes ratings pointless.

I no longer support ratings' sites. I will be posting more maps in the future, and will not be posting them to ratings' sites, and the map's readme file will now contain terms that my maps must not be submitted to any ratings' sites.

Good day.

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KommissarReb (SW12) Rep. 2518
#26   17 Apr 2013
@deQer: Many other people told you why they voted 7 out of 10, that the map could use some tweaks (such as lighting, barriers, some invisible walls etc.).

You stated that the map was 10/10, which got a lot of people upset because it was kind of an arrogant thing to say-believing the map was perfect when there were apparent flaws. A 10/10 map is a map that is absolutely perfect (depending on what it's purpose is), and themuffinator and FragTastic simply stated that it was good, but could use some adjustments. You said they didn't say why they voted the way they did. After you snapped at them they voted 0/10 because they were upset with you for complaining that they were being unfair. There weren't that many people voting like that and the map's positive votes would have eventually outnumbered the low ranking ones. You didn't have to remove all of your maps to ruin it for everyone, even for people thinking highly of it.

All I'm saying is I disagree with that action to remove the maps, and that you should have said something like "Okay, I'll try to improve so-and-so." rather than "that's because it's a 10/10 map dumbass". Just saying. There will always be spite votes no matter what and everyone deals with it because those votes get overrun by reasonable ones.

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deQer Rep. 7
#27   17 Apr 2013
You're right, SW12. I was out of line, and arrogant by saying it's a 10/10 map. I realize now that I would've even accept 9/10 or 8/10, but I cannot fathom a 7/10. Given that ratings are now */5, I would accept 4/5, and 3/5, but I cannot fathom a 2/5.

You make a good point about ratings being overrun by reasonable ones.

I just wish an explanation was provided. I do not recall FragTastic giving one. I was snippy with him, which lead to him changing his rating to 0/10, and then put me over the line.

When I put 170 hours into this; my heart and soul into this; I figured people would see that.

You're right about the other complaints though, the invisible walls, etc. I read an article recently from a group of level designers, and it talked about that; making the map dumb-proof for public and not just for the level designer himself. I realize that now.

I appreciate your comment and candidness within, and you've given me something to think about now. I may return to submitting my maps to ratings' sites then, given what you've said now. So, thank you.

I apologize for being the way I was being; and I hope we can put that behind us, and next time I'll have the patience and understanding to deal with such situations in a professional manner.

Thanks,

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