I've noticed that some features of the site have been changed or removed, but no explanation was given. I thought that having features such as recent comments, recent reviews, recent votes, recent downloads, featured releases, and updates all on the front page really helped people navigate the website easier. This screenshot deQer took was the only surviving example of what ..::LvL's best layout was: bport.ca/temp/lvlworld-voting.png

I also think that voting maps 1 out of 10 instead of 1 out of 5 was also better. Some cosmetic things like the option to have no avatar (as opposed to the lack of an avatar being represented by a whited-out picture of crash), the characters appearing next to the front page's logo, and different symbols for the voting score were nice. I really do miss the old website layout because I felt that it was set up almost perfectly, however I do think that the addition of the reputation system and map search engine was needed. Every now and then I'll attribute a theme to a map so it's easier to find.

Thanks heaps for the awesome feedback!

As far as items being removed, that is not exactly true. The current home page has a Featured release, 3 of the most recent reviews, 4 recent downloads, 4 recent votes and 4 recent comments (on a desktop PC anyway). The icon in the top left corner is the key to each section except the comments where a sample of the comment is shown over the screenshot. While the numbers are smaller, the content areas are the same.

That said, if I needed to explain that, then maybe the new layout is not as clear as I thought it was. Very open to suggestions.

There is also the "latest" page - lvlworld.com/latest - which is pretty much only used with the ..::LvL App, but can be used by anyone.

The vote system is something that has always rubbed me the wrong way. Never liked it, always felt it was open for exploitation and abuse - and that is what happens. No need to go in to details, but the system is abused by some. A few maps have even had voting disabled. The system I wanted was a "Good" vs "Bad" or Thumbs up and Thumbs down one.

I like the idea of bringing back a randomised icon on the home page. I will look in to that.

On a side note, the page load speed should be a lot faster, the code is a lot cleaner and scales seamlessly from phone to desktop. These are a few of the improvements over the old design.

I think, it would be better to make all the pics a bit smaller and insert the comment strings back (recent reviews/downloads, featured, etc) instead of the signs. As for me, everything was simple and clear before.
Generally design is now good. :)

I wasn't aware of the "latest" page. It seems like one would have had the link to have found it, wheras the "Home" page is more likely to be seen.

I think the Main page could be improved by shrinking the size of the map images and listing them into categories that are further apart to make it more clear that they are in different categories. For example with the old layout "Recent Downloads" and "Recent Reviews" were easier to distinguish because they were under separate lines that were labeled. The new layout has icons on the top-left of the images, but I noticed the "Featured Release" is mixed in with them instead of separated to the side and enlarged like the old layout.

I like the idea that the recent comments only show one comment by the commenter as opposed to all of them, so comments of other people can be found as well. However the old main page categorized them better by not having the image of the map with them to conserve space. The old "news" page at the top was helpful to show what recent site changes there were so forum posts about them didn't need to be posted instead. All of this I believe will make the site much easier to use.

While its unfortunate that there are trolls out there who abuse whatever rating system is in place, but I don't really see how a like/dislike system for voting would fix that any better than the 1/5 or 0/10 system did. YouTube changed thier system of rating videos from 1/5 stars to like/dislike, and I don't consider that to have been an improvement. The number rating system gave people the chance to rate maps according to a scale as opposed to a Borderline-esque "loved or hated it".

I mentioned "removed" because I recall being able to search for maps based on their theme, gametype, etc. in the map search, and now cannot.

Home page has been modified and updated. Thanks for the feedback!

The "latest" page was designed to be used with the App and that is where it is linked from. The previous version of the latest page was almost useless on the desktop PC, but now it is desktop friendly.

As to the tag search (search by theme, textures, game mode, etc), I did not know people where using it. I'll work out a way to bring it back.

Tig, mm, that's much better! =D
P.S. try to find time to post submitted/reviewed maps too, please! ;D

Tig, God bless you!!! =)

Update: A few tweaks here and there plus the "tag search" is back, new and improved - lvlworld.com/searchadvance

Tig, something new with website again? =)

Yep, a good chunk of the individual map pages have been updated. The media sections have had the most work. All videos are now HTML5 format too. Some look rough, but still better than requiring QuickTime :)

Notice any errors, please let me know!

Notice any errors, please let me know!
Tig, yep, for example "Corrosion" (lvlworld.com/votes/id:2131) has all the media sections, but my "The Killing Machine" (lvlworld.com/review/id:2372) has no any :'( :D
But if all this is being updated, I guess, there's nothing to worry about! =)

@Obsessed : The "votes" page has not been updated and still uses the old "text menu" sections. The "review" page has been updated and now use the "button menu" system in the bottom right.

Is this what you mean? The change in navigation is not clear enough?

the "button menu" system in the bottom right.
Tig, Yes, this is the style you've applied before, but returned back the old "text menu" sections. This is not a real problem. I'm just used to the old design. :-)

I liked the old design too. ome features are better, but one that would be nice is to have the date of how old / been on the system appear so one doesn't have to hunt for it.

@bozina69: The age of every release on ..::LvL is on the download page. On a large screen display (like a desktop), the date is also under the main screenshot. On the overview page you can also find the PK3 build date.

Hi All. I had a scan of the forum subject lines, and without starting a new thread thought this would be the most appropriate.

My suggestion is regarding member features. I am wondering how easy it would be to set up a "favourites" feature for members to access maps off the site. Currently we only have bookmarks, voting and comments as guides. The problem with bookmarks is that i bookmark my favourites but i also have a lot of maps book marked that i would like to play on/haven't played. The problem with votes, is it lists all the maps you don't like as well as the ones you do. And the problem with comments is that notes i want to make on playability, layout, gametype etc. aren't always appropriate under the comments section for the map.

So the the suggestion is a favourites list/feature, with the additional feature of making notes on the maps that members favourite. Something like what they do on youtube. The member could also have the option of making the list public or private.

On the issue of privacy: what do people think about the idea of making votes private for members as well? I can see the public nature of the vote has the advantage of accountability, but at the same time I don't really care about the reputation in terms of public prestige. My voting system is as much an indicator for myself of the maps i like/don't like as it is about the maps. While I haven't really encountered any abuse of the system personally myself, solving the old problem of spamming maps with down votes seems to be shifted now to members being spammed with down votes if there are disagreements. I noticed that CZghost came across this problem in the forum threads. (this wouldn't be so much of an issue if one could use a favourites feature rather than the votes feature to access favourite maps).

Thanks in advance.

PS: Tig, please let me know if this requires a new thread.

PPS: is it possible to track the page numbers when doing a search under a particular heading. Down at the bottom of a page where there are the more and back buttons. it serves as a useful indicator of how many pages you have to go before reaching the end of a search. (eg. 5 of 100 pgs if you were searching ctf maps)

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@HelterSkeleton : All good ideas, just need to work out how and when to implement.

Re: Favourites - Would an extension of the bookmarks be suitable? For example, adding the options to mark as a private, favourite, add notes, played, will play and then the option to filter based on these flags be suitable?

Re: Votes - A little tricky, but doable to add "blind" voting options. I like the idea of transparency, but with some of the recent activity I have seen on the site, I am starting to sway back to the idea of an anonymous vote option. If introduced, it will require a level reputation to be enabled.

Re: Page numbers for browse, search, listing options - again, this is doable and I can see the benefit of it on listings that do not change often (list of CTF maps) and no benefit on other listings (like recent downloads). It may be worth investing some time on this one on certain sections.

To counter the abuse to member comments by disgruntled others, I'm looking at adding some transparency there as well.

I prefer not only leaving all votes public, but I also prefer having reputation casting public as well. When votes and rep casts were public there was accountability for such actions and people could be held responsible for the way they act. I don't support the idea of making it impossible to track this sort of thing, and I want things to go back to the way things were with reputation casting being public.

I'd have to agree with SW12.

@All - If you are signed in and on a PC / Desktop, you can now see who has agreed or disagreed with a members comment. Just mouse over the corresponding button to see who is agreeing or disagreeing with the comment.

This feature will be a little weird on the ..::LvL App version or mobile devices as it relies on a mouse. Do not expect "ease of use" on these formats.

@Tig: I like this feature. Thank you!

eh, if you really want transparency, I just hit the downvote whenever I see Fragtastic because of the blatant fraud since the "reputation" system still makes him look good on this site... :|

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Very good point. Though I think the majority of his "reputation" was gained before he posted the stolen map. I'm also pretty sure his bio is 100% lies, as I can't find anything related to those claims.

If he really wanted to steal a map, why would he choose a map that could easily be found elsewhere? My first map may not be incredible by today's standards, but I can prove that it is 100% my own work that began with a sketch that I drew before I learned how to use GTK Radiant.

I noticed FragTastic hasn't posted since 2016. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised if he's read that we eventually caught on to what he did.

Even now after everything that has happened between me and everyone I've disagreed with on this site in the past 7 years, I still stand by everything that I said.

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On a different subject, I also wouldn't mind a "map favoriting" system. What Tig described seems great to me:

@Tig ultimately I am happy with what is the least amount of work and the easiest to implement regarding favouriting and also consistent with the site design. I think a favourites similar to the bookmark that could be filtered as a search would be fine and sensible. i don't really care about the vote privacy as much especially if other members aren't that interested (it's more just the personal embarrassment of seeing myself there). the notes would be nice but aren't essential. i could still get most of the information i needed from the map page. at the time i wrote that i didn't realise weapons and items were listed in the overview tab. plyed/will play seems sensible for the bookmarks but i think you really only need one or the other. for example: if you've favourited a map then it has been played and if you didn;t like it you delete it off the bookmarks. then bookmarks would only be maps you haven't played on. but i don't really know how other people use the bookmarks to know if that would work. perhaps they could be flags??? having a played flag on its own wouldn't work because i would still end up with favourite maps and not-so-favourite maps in the same list but i'm not sure if having both would give people more options or just be overkill.

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@HelterSkeleton : If a section has a number of pages, you can now "jump" to a group number in that listing. Click / tap the "Group X of Y" text and the listing of groups will be shown.

Working on some of the other suggestions as well.

Sorry for the delay in my reply Tig. I've been meaning to hop back into the forums but I've been getting distracted catching up with all the releases. I try to play one or two every night and as many as I can on the weekends. The job you done on the pages is amazing. Without a word of a lie I use that feature every day. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to being able to favourite our map selections. I've been sorting through all my bookmarks in anticipation. Can't wait! Thanks again for all your efforts. You are doing God's work.

@HelterSkeleton : Bookmark categories are now up and in place.

You can tag a bookmark as Private, Favourite, Will play or "other". You can then filter on all or none of these options.

This means, by default all bookmarks are shown. Selecting Favourite and "other" will only show maps that have been tagged with both options.

Any bookmark tagged Private will only be visible to yourself.

I did not add a "notes" option due to small number of people that are currently using the bookmarks at all. Still thinking about it. Trying to work out how to do it cleanly.

The new bookmarks seem good to me! Now I have to go through and sort mine...
A notes option would be kind of nice, but I see how that could be tricky to implement, plus I'm sure there would only be a few people who would use it these days.