What this map tried to achive is something I admire. Only problem was the execution.
Edited 1786.02 days after the original posting.

I dunno what the griping's about cause I think this is pretty decent.

-Ben

i dont get why everyone hates it, sure you wouldnt use this as a serious map for 1v1 or ffa but its fun to just muck around in, i allmost died of laughter when i walked outside intospace and started getting hurt due to lack of air, and falling from the top of the level to the bottom how the sky changes was something i havent seen in a map before, personally i think this map has got some rather original qualitys about it

This is a perfect map for instagib.....wow though, talk about a long list of map bashing..whew!

holy crap, i was with a mate when i layed eyes on this map for the first time, we were on the floor in stitches for about 5 minutes, his mom even came in and told us to shut up because we were laughing so loud, everything in this map was funny, i love it and we have decided to frag more in it, thanks kasper, you the man now dog.

A failed attempt at making Goodfun Jr. It's not even funny in a crazy way like Goodfun. 1/10.

this is the best map ever created i think it deserves a 10 oh yeah i just realized i am dumb

www.somethingawful...ranky/index.php <- somethingawful.com review

If You think this is horrable (don't now how to spell that)

your wrong my very first level was like this but had doors and jumps and pits which this was all one room!

If You think this is horrable (don't now how to speel that)

your wrong my very first level was like this but had doors and jumps and pits which this was all one room!

You guys whale on the map too much, give the author a break. I'll give it a, uhm, 2 for effort, maybe.

my first box map was hell better. i doubt you could cover your arse in that map for too long. mine even had more complexity for a first map.

roflmao i can't believe this is on here. The good part is that it inspires me to dl the tools and take a stab at it myself. 502 people dl'd this????????

this is a fucken pile of shit

it looks shit

it plays shit

its shit all the way

0 for this piece of shit

See Name.

Give the guy a break. It probably is his first attempt, but if you analyse the map closely (play it for about an hour) you will see that the kid does have some potential. The map flows nicely enough, bots move well and the weapon balance is decent. I didn't keep this map, but that doesn't mean its any reason for kasper to give up map editing.

Who are you guys KIDDING? This map fucking sucks! ZERO all the way!

Well, there you go. Ken and others, I think, have made my point posted earlier. Something is to be learned from all submissions and it's not just users that view the results. This site and it's policy to review all working submissions is the proper one. If poor maps bother some people...then only download the ones that score 10.

I think that Kasper and other map makers have learned from this map submission and the comments made about it.

Kasper I think you have some new info that will make your next map better. I'm sure I still have, kicking around my harddrive, some early maps by what are now some of the top map makers. They are brutally ugly, but I can keep them from the public eye, for a small fee. I hope one day to extort money from you for this map. :)

Well ... uh ... there were 2 good features about this map, in that they gave me ideas for future maps. The 1st was the use of fog to hide one area of the map from another area. The only other place I've seen this is in Q3Tourney5, but this is a different approach. The 2nd was the semi-transparent walls and doors that made a sort of maze. I had wanted to do a fun-house mirror maze, until I realized the limitations of mirrors in Q3. This could be a reasonable alternative.

Regarding the sliding door to the rocket-launcher room, read the Q3Radiant documentation about texture z-fighting.

Kasper, my initial impression of this level was very bad, but after I explored it a while I saw it did have its merits. Read the Q3Radiant documentation, analyze some levels that got good reviews, and try making another level.

From the overall score, it's safe to say most people are voting O.

I will give it a two.

The author at least had the guts to make a map of this - ahem! - caliber and present it to the public.

Even though this is a forum for your average joemapper to present his wares, I agree with some people that this map really shouldn't be here... . However, I completely understand Tigger-oN's stance in that every map will be reviewed, regardless of quality - as long as it's a functioning map.

Sorry kasper, IMHO I think you should have developed this one far beyond it's current state before releasing it for public consumption.

Judging from the quality of MOST maps on this site, and the build state/quality of maps on the beta section (everyone here knows that bad maps get beaten up by reviewers) you should have known this map would have been torn to shreds by the public.

Sorry dude but I hope all this shit being flung yer way will give you the insight you'll need to become a better mapper.

Oh boy,how did this map get here?I just downloaded it and was stunned at the complete lack of structure in this map.There are so many issues that make this a bad map I wont spend my time listing them..Oh,I am sorry I missed the BFG icon in the startup menu before I played or it would have been deleted on the spot...a complete mess of a map :-)

I'm not saying that only the "best" maps need to be posted. Or that bad maps shouldnt be. But if the only comments about the map is that it's the "First Attempt" and "not worth downloading", then why waste the space?

I agree that people need to get feedback on thier maps. There are at least a dozen forums I could direct these people too in order to get that feedback. I don't think a map review site is a place to show a persons first attempt at mapping if that first attempt is as poor quality as this or others like it.

At least show us maps that are downloadable. Mapping forums should be the place a newbie looks for feedback, not here.

You don't have to tell me how hard it is to map. I've done my fair share. I have not submitted them to any review sites because I'm my own worst critic, and don't feel any are ready for prime time yet, but my efforts far exceed this one.

I guess I didnt come to this site to look at maps that are not worth downloading. I was hoping this site would be more of a place to find maps that are. You can look in the beta section or any mapping forum if you want maps that are not worth downloading, why post them on the front page?

Map making is a really hard job. Everyone begins at one time and has to learn more. Well, this may not be a very nice nice map, maybe it is shit, but who of you top map makers began at level 1?

Mandog and I will review all submittied maps that are not leaked, come in a pk3 (with the correct folder structure) and do NOT crash my pc :]

We want to give everyone a chance (even if some maps should have stayed as a beta), unlike some map review sites.

Well, I have to agree with Terrynator. Map making is really hard work consuming lot of time,hairs... So each map author has the right to post his map. If he gets bad reviews he can learn what was done wrong...and try to make it better next time. (This map is....no comment, but which really first map was excellent?)

The gameflow is slow, the item placement is pretty awful, and the appearance is very rough. However, I would like to point out that kasper did pick an interesting weapon selection and did an okay job with ammo balance. The RL+LG+RG+PG(+BFG?) combo is neat to see, so I'll give kasper a little bit of credit for trying something neat.

Ch@os I disagree with you. Posting only the top maps is fine if it is only the users that are interested in seeing them. It is important to post the middle of the crowd maps as well.

Map makers read the reviews and then go in and see what went wrong with a map and what worked well.

No map is all good or all bad when you take a cross section of them. Remember that a great map may not work on all servers. While a lesser map is perfect for the gametype. I run a hook server and some of the top reviewed maps just don't work on it.

Now on really bad maps...Sometimes it's good to get a poke in the eye in order for people to realize just how hard it is to make a map with exacting detail and gameplay. Bad maps shout that out in a very visual way.

My Q2 map TerryHell was turned down by a review site (I won't say which..cough cough on the planet..hint) but to this day that same site runs it on their server. There is a bot route for it and it has had well over 10,000 downloads.

So much for only reviewing the best maps.

Why bother posting this stuff? Seems more like a waste of time and effort then anything else. Why not use more of your resources to put up quality work that people are actually going to check out and may even put in rotation in their servers? At least there is only one of these this time, but it's sad when you upload 5 maps, and 2 or 3 are not worth the time to download.

Hmmmmm, ive made the mistake of downloading this somewhere else last week, safe to say it lasted for 0.5 seconds before it was binned.

verdict? pile of shite anyone?

Wtf?