Keep in mind SW12, there is more to a map than just its looks. ;)

Gameplay and aesthetics compliment eachother to a degree, though. The most obvious example is base coloring in CTF maps. Also, making every part of a map distinct from one another combined with good lighting lets people navigate the map easier. Different shades of color and light on surfaces let people have better depth-perception. During development if you have a final layout designed and manage to build a unique and believable theme around it using the geometry and area sizes as guidelines then people are more likely to remember your map and what it's all about... and that makes it's playability factor longer lasting.

All of that is quite obvious, and illustrates that there's more to a map than gameplay, but wtf has that got to do with this map?

Keep in mind TheMuffinMan, there is more to a map than just its gameplay. You should know that as well as I.

I wonder if Cranky Steve is able to do reviews anymore if he gets requests. iirc his site was down for a long time then suddenly re-appeared. Theres a lot of horrid q3 maps that you cant find on his site at all.

Actually, I played this map waaaay back in 2000 and I remember having a few fun games on it. But that was back then - I was a silly kid without any idea about gameplay. But yeaaaa... there's a reason why it managed to crack a review by Cranky Steve. There are worse maps out there though.

HAHAHA!

Oh, TheMuffinMan is gonna just love this map. hehehehehe

0_0 This Map si teh 1337..0_-

maybe a need a geforce 3....

Whoa... the complexity of this map is mindboggling...

The map is tiny, looking ugly is ugly, will allways be ugly but I love playing this against many bots get the fraglimit of 50 under 2 minutes every time, I like to frag, actually I LOVE to frag and this is a map for me, I'm not very skilled player so I have fun slaughtering bots from time to time. I'm giving this 4 in ONLY for the fun I had, except for that, this level sux

this level was studied for poor people with Pentium machines. It's the only one explanation.

NO! This maps gameplay is much better than 'meatpack2's gameplay!

ARRRGH! This level is terrible! Why did I ever waste the 2 minutes and 150KB to download this!

I didn't even know you could make levels as bad as this one!

Time for another game at Meatpack and to delete Arena!

Try again, Zero and get someone to beta test the level for you.

Fps? -Here You got 'em! Hehe...

Easy to dominate...

In my humble opinion a map should be challenging right?

You should like want to play it again and again over and over cause it's hard to master it, but you'll still know that eventually you'll dominate the thing right?

This "thing" should have been named after the author!

Every mapper out there should WORK on his/her level!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hehe forget it.

release ..for the eror ..heh more space taken up

even if its easy to dominate why reales such an easy map..i know there are other easy maps out there but this is ridiculous.

I can see why Zero submited this map now. Its fun to dominate. As a mapper for UT i cant comment on the difficulty it is to make a q3 map but i can say that i made several test maps before i ever made my first map. This would be similar to a test map of mine minus the extreme eye candy. So i will give advice to any mapper that is thinking about submiting something like this: "Test maps should never leave your hardrive!"

I would be lying if i said this map had no atmoshere. It does...cause i hit my head on it.

1/10 Fast frame rates, fun to dominate. The worst map i have played since.....I have already given it to much of my time.

This brings to mind something that I feel is wrong with this board.

As I appreciate the extensive coverage of Q3A levels, and tell everybody, "this is the place"...

...there are also TOO MANY UTTER CRAP MAPS!

These things take up time and space. Not mine, but LVLs.

I feel having a pic and a quick comment like, "NOT IN MY LIFETIME" or "COMPLETE AND UTTER WASTE OF SPACE" will suffice.

That way, people won't be tempted to download the drivel.

damn map . worst than carena, cant even rocket jump:P

maybe if you can rocket jump and made it bigger and change the sky""

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some suggestions might help you.hehe

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What the f^@k????

This one kinda belongs on cranky steves site lol