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Finally got around to actually playing these! Quick hits: I Like Your Hair Long - Visually this is almost unrecognizable from the original it's so dramatic. Great looking...
Thank you for the very detailed review.
I really appreciate feedback like this.
I Like Your Hair Long - Visually this is almost unrecognizable from the original it's so dramatic. Great looking all around, and the gameplay is significantly improved as well. Several more items in this version (2x GA, added RG, GL, Plasma, and 7 total gun placements vs 3) which does seem a bit much for such a small map, but it's a very, very minor complaint. Overall this is a really fun and great looking update!
Final Shutdown - Another dramatic visual improvement! All the additional design and architecture surrounding the map (rooms, windows, a crane, pipes/conduits, etc.) make for an incredibly atmospheric, visual treat.
Gameplay-wise, this version seems much closer to the original than the other two both in terms of geometry and items, with this one only eschewing one of two shotguns for a grenade launcher. I really love the original's layout and gameplay, and this update has kept it intact. My buddy has an annoyed dislike of the original, and maintained that opinion here. So yeah I think it's faithful! All-in-all and wonderful visual minor gameplay update to an already solid map!
Spank - I'll preface this by saying that spank1 is one of our all-time favorite maps, and we've only been playing it since around 2020. We track all our matches, and it's probably the fourth or fifth most-played map for us. Due to the sheer simplicity and almost ugly look, combined with outstanding gameplay (for us), we've coined the term "spank" as an adjective for any map that surprises you with how great it is despite how it looks. "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid." - Han Solo. That's spank1 for us.
This one is a significant departure from the original, which may be one of the ugliest (or at least visually simple) maps ever. Between the look and the architectural changes, this update almost doesn't look like the same map. Visually, anything would be an upgrade from spank1, but this one has a fun, futuristic blue/gray theme.
Architecturally, and gameplay wise, though, this is an entirely different experience. The map seems smaller. I don't know if that's actually the case, but it feels like a smaller map from all aspects. There is a second RL now. The once-dangerous dead-end YA now has a teleporter to the opposite side of the map, and the other YA, also in a risky location, has been moved to a more central, open spot. Where there were only two ramps to the upper area, there is now an additional jumppad located between the ramps, facilitating easier access to the upper area and RG.
All of these changes have a combined dramatic effect on how the map plays. The original spank has particular tactical aspects to how one plays it which are completely different here. The original Spank shines because of how risky certain areas and items can be, and how advantageous and dangerous attempting to control resources can be. This version is much more of a battle royale. Get in there, get your hands dirty, and keep running and gunning. The risks are essentially gone, so have at it!
So while the first two are pretty faithful reimaginings of the originals, Spank Ch.2 is really its own thing. It's a fun and well updated map, but it plays completely differently and should be thought-of as an almost entirely new, different map.
I want to thank each of the authors and everyone involved in helping make this happen. It's awesome to see activity with Q3 still going on!
@Obsessed : @HelterSkeleton : My next comment is just questions regarding the project itself: how many maps did people have to choose from? And could everyone pick the same...
maybe yes. =) I dunno why I made it so red, mostly for better color combo - It turned out that there’s almost no red color on the map. I tried using orange lighters, but they didn’t look very good.
Update Obsessed has update the PK3 for "I like your hair long". As of this post, the download has the updated version.
This version is MUCH brighter. Thanks guys!
@HelterSkeleton : My next comment is just questions regarding the project itself: how many maps did people have to choose from? And could everyone pick the same map or was...
ah yes, thank you! I thought it looked familiar. I would have seen that movie in the eighties. While I get the twist on the reference, and appreciate the intent, you may want to rethink the potential reading of "redskin".
@Obsessed : @sedawkgrep : @fKd : @sedawkgrep : vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl...
unfortunately, I can’t say much about it, but for me (and anyone who maps for CNQ3), it’s inevitable. I’m grateful for the compilation string and I’ll definitely try it. I’m afraid it won’t win almost twofold brightness difference between q3e and cnq3. but it’s worth a try! =)
@sedawkgrep : @fKd : @sedawkgrep : vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone...
Your maps are often darker than most when viewed on a high-graphics configuration (For example, the Blood Run pack). When I play them with other people sometimes they comment on it. There's nothing visually wrong, it's just a notch or two darker than they're accustomed to. Easy to work around by bumping r_gamma up a few levels, so we just do that in-game.
It's been a while since I compiled anything for release but I remember having to increase brightness a lot to get external lightmaps looking right on my own maps. My compile line for light was:
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@fKd : @sedawkgrep : vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone know why this...
no one could give me the certain answer atm what would help. the map looks dark in q3arena too. but as a simple man I personally could offer you to use cnq3 client with vq3 physics - it has very clear visual comparing with q3arena! :D and cpma bots are beyond praise!
vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone know why this might be? Edited...
hi! =) I guess that's because I'm using cnq3 client (shipping with cpma mod). I can try to compile the map's light w/o ext lightmaps - maybe it could help. and to put both new versions into a separate .pk3 if it's important for you =) I couldn't believe there still are people who care so much about Q3 levels ))) I'll ask Tig.
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My next comment is just questions regarding the project itself: how many maps did people have to choose from? And could everyone pick the same map or was it a first in best...
hi, Mr.Skeleton =) this dude is an indian "Nobody" from 1995 Dead Man movie by Jim Jarmusch. this is the frame right after he cuts one white man's throat =) I just tried to play out the map name differently than in relation to girls ))
yes maybe I left too many ammo. but I'm not so good in aiming and use very cool cpma bots so maybe it wasn't enough rockets/bullets for me :(
@sedawkgrep : vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone know why this might...
I switched to vertex and it lost all character/atmosphere. Everything was bright...which of course is better for gaming but looks ..old.
@sedawkgrep : vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone know why this might...
I'm using quake3e. Linux/AMD video.
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@HelterSkeleton : @fKd : @HelterSkeleton : OK I'm gonna break this down in two parts and two comments. Clearly Obsessed worked the hardest on connectivity and gameplay, and...
np
@fKd : @HelterSkeleton : OK I'm gonna break this down in two parts and two comments. Clearly Obsessed worked the hardest on connectivity and gameplay, and it shows - esp with...
Hahaha, I was just joking around. Trust me, no offense was taken.
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thanks
vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone know why this might be? Edited...
are you using dynamic lighting with vertex instead of lightmap?
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@HelterSkeleton : OK I'm gonna break this down in two parts and two comments. Clearly Obsessed worked the hardest on connectivity and gameplay, and it shows - esp with the...
Hi, so you are Iori? Well clearly, as acknowledged in the readme, the original layout is solid and not much need for change. clearly it worked. It was simply a comment where 2 things stood out as noteworthy in my mind and should not be about taking anything away from the other authors. My personal opinion: clearly we already know you have the skills as evidenced by your other work. And you have already received a glowing review from me on another level, so I don't quite understand why you are feling like you are "missing out". But honestly: the "slime" at the bottom looks fantastic. But I'd like to see something that lets you get out of it. Set higher, for a RJ out? An area at the bottom with a teleporter? Standard damage slime? Given the size of the maps and the design, they are all pretty much tourney-sized, and would have liked to have seen tourney treatment: a different item layout that removes the quad and replaces it with something else (MH?) and put the RG where the MH is etc. This is just a general (and I think fair) criticism of the original map. And while not the primary brief, there was obviously some leeway here that other authors took advantage of given that it was a "jam" and not a competition and this level seems to call for it. As someone who was not an organiser and simply a player, I assess individual levels with respect to the entire map database and a scoring system I worked hard to develop over time that tries to take into consideration all of the factors of a custom level to try and be as fair as possible to all the elements. My standards of judgement would be completely different under different circumstances (say were I employed as a judge for a competition with a set rule set and criteria). I feel like my omission on this occasion may have been taken way to personally. It was in no way intended to be taken personally. But regarding that particular map itself - honestly I think it could have been tweaked for tourney and that would have been an interesting take. And while I have some ideas floating in my head, I feel like i have really missed the boat to learn an editor and making maps. I just feel like I am way to old to learn new tricks now. But I would like to think I would be open to suggestions, assistance and expertise even if I felt like I didn't always have to take them on board :/
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vedq3dm1_remix is REALLY dark for me. Significantly darker than the attached shots in the media tab. See here: imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl Anyone know why this might be? Edited...
What exe are you using?
OK I'm gonna break this down in two parts and two comments. Clearly Obsessed worked the hardest on connectivity and gameplay, and it shows - esp with the inclusion of a better...
What about my map :(
Thanks to everyone for taking part and big ups to Tig and Sprony for running the event.
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imgur.com/a/vJyBaTl
Anyone know why this might be?
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My next comment is just questions regarding the project itself: how many maps did people have to choose from? And could everyone pick the same map or was it a first in best...
Theere's a thread in the forum about this project:
I just noticed that the map for vedq3dm1_remix is actually called "ved", and also contains the original map in the pk3. A curious decision which I wish the author did not do.
Just an FYI for those who either want to avoid having duplicates, or are maintaining a database of maps like I am.
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